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The Conversation<\/span>
\n2 Cor 4:3-6 and Mark 9:2-9<\/span>
\nTransfiguration Sunday<\/span>
\nJane Shelton, CRE<\/span>
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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 After reading the scripture to prepare for this Sunday\u2019s Transfiguration sermon,<\/span><\/p>\n

I realized how many sermons I had previously preached, and the topics that I had discussed.\u00a0 Jesus miraculous transition from human to divine, and Peter\u2019s incredible need to talk when what he really needed to do was listen, were just a couple of themes that I had remembered talking about.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Looking at this same scripture in Mark this year, I wondered what story did God have prepared for me to deliver to you this morning.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s funny how reading a scripture year after year can bring you different messages in just a few verses, and I\u2019ve often wondered why don\u2019t I get it all the first time?\u00a0 Why didn\u2019t I recognize that in the story previously, and the only answers that I have to that question is that possibly it was not the message God was sending to me at that time, or maybe I wasn\u2019t spiritually mature enough to receive it at the time I was reading it.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In any event, the message that struck me today is something that I do not remember having been discussed previously in my years of reflecting on this Transfiguration Sunday, and that is the conversation between Moses, Elijah and Jesus.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let\u2019s take a minute to set the stage for this story.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Six days earlier, Jesus had a conversation with the disciples regarding who he was, asking them, \u201cWho do the people say that I am,\u201d to which they responded, \u201cJohn the Baptist; others say Elijah, and others say one of the prophets.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jesus then asks the disciples, \u201cBut who do you say that I am?\u201d\u00a0 Peter answers, \u201cYou are the Messiah.\u201d\u00a0 At which time, Jesus orders them to tell no one about him.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jesus proceeds to teach them the things that are to come.\u00a0 That he will undergo great suffering, be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and the scribes.\u00a0 He will be killed and after three days arise again.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Peter then takes Jesus aside to rebuke him that he can avail himself of these things to come, to which Jesus rebukes Peter saying, \u201cGet behind me Satan!\u00a0 For you are setting your mind not on divine things but on human things.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I wonder, was this the reason Peter was chosen as one of three disciples to witness Jesus\u2019 transfiguration from an earthly form to a heavenly or divine form.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jesus calls the crowd gathered there with the disciples, and says to them, \u201cIf any want to become my followers, let them deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.\u00a0 For those who want to save their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake, and for the sake of the gospel, will save it.\u00a0 For what will it profit them to gain the whole world and forfeit their life?\u00a0 Indeed, what can they give in return for their life?\u00a0 Those who are ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of them the Son of Man will be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels,\u201d and finishing the conversation, Jesus says, \u201cTruly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Does everyone have this scene in their mind?\u00a0 Can you place yourselves there among the crowd, hearing the words of Jesus as they are spoken?\u00a0 Wondering if you will be one of these to witness the power of the Kingdom of God?<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, let\u2019s move forward six days later, where we have Peter, James and John following Jesus up a high mountain.\u00a0 They were by themselves, just the four of them, making their way to the top of mountain.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mark points out there are just the four of them to make this journey to let the reader know ahead of time there is no one else with them.\u00a0 Perhaps, so as not to confuse the fact Moses and Elijah will appear from heaven, and were not to be mistaken for others who might have traveled up the mountain with Jesus and the three disciples.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When they reach the top of the mountain, Jesus was transfigured before them, and became dazzling white.\u00a0 Can\u2019t you see it there, a bright, white light, almost blinding to Peter, James and John, to the point they raise their arm to protect their eyes.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In the brightness, as they try to see what is happening, they see Elijah with Moses, who were talking with Jesus.\u00a0 Elijah, Moses and Jesus were having a conversation, but what were they talking about there in the dazzling scene?<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 For the moment, let\u2019s forget that Peter, James and John are there, and let\u2019s focus on the conversation with Elijah, Moses and Jesus, there in the dazzling white presence of the divine.\u00a0 What do these three have in common?<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 During their lifetime, they all care for the people of Israel, yet Jesus reaches beyond his Jewish upbringing to include the Gentiles.\u00a0 He moves from the Old Testament Laws and brings a New Covenant revealing God to all people of every nation.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Moses wanders 40 years in the desert, Jesus is 40 days in the wilderness.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They all receive and relay the Word of God to the people.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Moses was recorded as having died on a mountain, but his body was not located.\u00a0 Deuteronomy reads that Christ himself, with the angels who had buried Moses, came down from heaven to call for the sleeping Saint.\u00a0 Therefore, some believe Moses also was taken up to heaven by God, in a similar fashion as Elijah, and did not suffer a physical death.<\/span><\/p>\n

Jude 9 tells us that the resurrection of Moses was God\u2019s answer to Satan that Satan did not have dominion over the people of the earth.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Elijah, like Jesus, is a miracle worker, and God performs many miracles through him, including resurrection.\u00a0 Bringing fire down from the sky, God takes Elijah to heaven alive as Elijah is caught up in a whirlwind.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The book of Malachai prophesies Elijah\u2019s return with phrasing that includes, \u201cbefore the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord,\u201d making Elijah a forerunner of the Christ to come.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So what does this all mean, as the three of them have a heavenly conversation there on this Transfiguration Day, there among the dazzling white presence of the divine?<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Gospel of Luke tells us Moses and Elijah \u201cappeared in glory and were speaking of Jesus\u2019 departure, which he was about to accomplish in Jerusalem.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Greek word translated here as \u201cdeparture\u201d or exodos<\/em> is the same term that is used by the Old Testament Bible for the departure of Hebrews from Egypt.\u00a0 Here on this day of transfiguration, Moses and Elijah learn in their conversation with Jesus, that Jesus will soon lead an exodus from bondage<\/em> at the Holy City, just as Moses had led the people from slavery out of Egypt.\u00a0 This exodus that involves Jesus will include his death, resurrection and ascension.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jesus meets with the two prophets of the old law, to relay a new covenant to come, a new promise that is about to take place that involves Jesus, the Son of God, the Christ child, and he will free from bondage all those who believe that he is the Beloved Son of God.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As the conversation is taking place, Peter begins to talk, rather than listen, and God\u2019s voice breaks through the clouds to inform all present, that this is his Son, the Beloved, in whom he is well pleased.\u00a0 \u201cListen to him!!\u201d\u00a0 Don\u2019t talk, listen.\u00a0 How often we talk when we are called to listen.\u00a0 Are we listening to Jesus today?<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Paul reminds us in our first reading today, that it is God who said, \u201cLet light shine out of darkness.\u201d\u00a0 Just as Jesus became dazzling white signifying a divine presence, he still shines in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When we allow ourselves to be filled with the Holy Spirit, filled with the dazzling white presence of Jesus, we too, will shine in goodness to all of our neighbors.\u00a0 Words are not always necessary when we want to share the gospel of the glory of Christ, sometimes it just means we listen and simply shine bright for others to know they are loved, to let them know Jesus is near and will take care of them.<\/span><\/p>\n

(Silent Reflection)<\/span><\/p>\n

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